All good points so far. Here's another twist: Instead of pointing to sins of the organization which can be acknowledged and then excused, focus on the few main JW doctrines that make them different than other religions. These are the foundations:
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How would you reason with a family member who says...
by HiddenPimo in“i know the org has made mistakes and failed in some areas but it is still better than christendom”.
ugggghhhhhh.
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The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS
by smiddy3 inthe jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.
however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?
and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.
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neat blue dog
SBF, in the scripture you quoted, notice that it's "God the Father", something you would almost never hear a JW say. The writers knew God's proper name, but didn't casully use it, not just because of a superstition, but because they were adopted as sons of God, Christ's brothers. You don't constantly call your Father by his first name. JWs are confused about this due to the false teaching of an elite few who are annointed.
Also notice that we "acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father". It doesn't say we give God glory by acknowledging Jehovah. We glorify Him BY acknowledging Jesus. True, the Bible says that eventually God will be "all things to everyone", but until then Jesus is an intercessor. This is God's plan for salvation, not to jump the line, call Him on a first name basis and even say only one group and those who join it will get to be "True Christians".
"For you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men. For you neither enter, nor even do you allow those who are entering to go in."
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What woke you up?
by HappyBlessedFree ini’m fairly new so i don’t know everyone’s backstory.
how did you realize the organization was false?.
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neat blue dog
Punk:
Yes, the overlapping generation is among the silliest they've pulled. Crazy as it sounds, it totally went over my head at the time. I read it and accepted it without question, but I didn't stop for a second to think about it.
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What woke you up?
by HappyBlessedFree ini’m fairly new so i don’t know everyone’s backstory.
how did you realize the organization was false?.
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neat blue dog
I woke up gradually over 6 or 7 years. However the catalyst to escape my passive attitude was the release of the new songbook in 2009 followed by the two DVDs about the 'history' of the organization. This got me looking at older publications, which made me see the org in a whole new light: as a very human organization. In 2010 I got internet for the first time and Googled Jehovah's Witnesses. I was immediately exposed to 'apostate' sites, and the rest is history. I did fight it for a while and tried to be an apologist, but by summer 2016 when I read the New Testament front to back with a fresh perspective, I was fully mentally out.
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National Siblings Day
by neat blue dog inas has been mentioned, jws on social media seem to go overboard for the whole sibling day bandwagon, like they're so thrilled to participate in a holiday of sorts that hasn't yet been explicitly forbid that it's pathetic.
so, it's okay to honor your brother and sister on a certain day, but it's wrong and pagan to honor your father and mother on a certain day, something that the bible specifically says to do?
has anybody ever called them out on this, or seen someone else do it?
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neat blue dog
Thanks stillin
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Why do some JWs love seeing others get disfellowshipped?
by Tameria2001 ini'm not sure how many in the organization is like this, but there some jws who love seeing others get disfellowshipped, and my father-in-law is one of those.
he became a jw because he loved the idea of being the head of the household, and lording it over his family.
as a jw he is very hypocritical, my husband would tell stories of how they would celebrate christmas until his mother-in-law called him on it.
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neat blue dog
What crazy Mexican soap opera did this story come from?? 😉
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National Siblings Day
by neat blue dog inas has been mentioned, jws on social media seem to go overboard for the whole sibling day bandwagon, like they're so thrilled to participate in a holiday of sorts that hasn't yet been explicitly forbid that it's pathetic.
so, it's okay to honor your brother and sister on a certain day, but it's wrong and pagan to honor your father and mother on a certain day, something that the bible specifically says to do?
has anybody ever called them out on this, or seen someone else do it?
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neat blue dog
As has been mentioned, JWs on social media seem to go overboard for the whole sibling day bandwagon, like they're so thrilled to participate in a holiday of sorts that hasn't yet been explicitly forbid that it's pathetic. So, it's okay to honor your brother and sister on a certain day, but it's wrong and pagan to honor your father and mother on a certain day, something that the Bible specifically says to do? Has anybody ever called them out on this, or seen someone else do it? I did see one JW preach to his friends about it in the comments (he's already known to be very self-righteous, attention-seeking and opinionated, so no real surprise for him) but no one really engaged with him. That was last year, and this year seemed to be even more intense. Wonder when the questions from readers or local needs will come out 🙄
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Just wondering...
by HappyBlessedFree inso for those of you that are christian, what do you do during the memorial season?
for those that have not joined a church, how do you celebrate passover?.
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neat blue dog
Ditto what Tenacious said. I can see from what the Bible says that there is no specific night/time requirement, but I do take 'sacrement' if you will annually, privately. As I'm PIMO and need to attend the Memorial, I do have to pass the bread and wine, but I will say a prayer while doing so. It's under duress. Similar to how Naaman had to help his master bow down at his idol because it was his job, but in his heart he wasn't for it.
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Less facial hair? More spirituality!
by neat blue dog inwe've often seen the happifying kingdom trope of a bearded bible student coming up from the baptism water with a freshly shaven, baby smooth face.
beards, after all, signify independent thinking and are best left to worldlings.
our new july 2019 issue of the watchtower, however, sheds increasing light on the subject.
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neat blue dog
Brilliant tbk! 👍
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Jw.org news about new assignment
by Gorbatchov injust read this interesting news at jw.org.
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neat blue dog
Isn't it a little late for April Fool's?